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Perry and Shawna Mornings
May 08, 2025
Who’s Your Biggest Enemy?
Maybe it’s YOU!
When we feel attacked our brains slip into enemy mode. In other words, when we feel that someone is not for us, we assume that they are against us, and it’s game on!
Longtime author and neuropsychologist, Dr. Jim Wilder, says we can be in enemy mode for a moment, a longer period of time, or allof the time. He joins us to talk about Escaping Enemy Mode: How Our Brains Unite or Divide Us.
In this brain state of “enemy mode” we fight to win but we were created to be in relationship – to love. The way out of enemy mode is to remember that we actually want to be in relationship with one another. And to be reminded of who we are in Christ.
Jim gives solid advice for loving others well by helping them get out of enemy mode, even if they can’t see initially that you are acting in love.
Relationships are hard and messy. Understanding how to escape enemy mode will help us to stay connected with one another and ultimately to be who God created us to be.
IN THIS EPISODE
Jim Wilder
Jim Wilder (Ph.D., Clinical Psychology, and M.A. Theology, Fuller Theological Seminary) has been training leaders and counselors for over 27 years on five continents. He is the author of nine books with a strong focus on maturing and relationship skills for leaders. He is currently executive director of Shepherd's House Inc., a nonprofit working at the intersection of brain science and theology, and founder of Life Model Works that is building contagiously healthy Christian communities through equipping existing networks with the skills to thrive. Dr. Wilder has extensive clinical counseling experience and has served as a guest lecturer at Fuller Seminary, Biola, Talbot Seminary, Point Loma University, Montreat College, Tyndale Seminary, and elsewhere.
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Perry LaHaie
Perry LaHaie's passion is to know Jesus and make Him known. “I’m all in with Jesus but not all put together. I need Jesus right now as much as I did when I first started following Him!” Perry says. In addition to co-hosting Perry and Shawna Mornings, Perry is a singer, songwriter, recording artist, and advocate for those who haven’t yet heard the gospel, especially those in the Muslim world. Born and raised in northern Michigan, he earned a bachelor’s degree in Communications and a graduate degree in Cross- cultural Communications. Perry also serves with Frontiers, a worldwide ministry to Muslims. Perry and his bride, Teresa, call Holland, Michigan home. They have two adult children, Kali and Taylor, and Taylor’s bride, Bri.
Shawna Beyer
Shawna Beyer has a way of telling stories that create personal connection— to her, to one another, and to God. She has been a homeschool mom, church planter, project lead for a consulting company, and church staff member. Though she’s been involved in ministry with her husband (Dan) in Iowa, Arizona, and now Michigan, she was born and raised in Southern California and as they say, “You can take the girl out of California . . .” She is mom to four grown kids (Bryn, Drayson, Eden, and Haven) who no longer need her but humor her anyway. Shawna is passionate about the rhythms we weave into the fabric of our lives to fall more in love with God each day. Healthy foods are her go-to, but she will abandon that whole track in a heartbeat for a homemade cinnamon roll like Grandma used to make.
Perry and Shawna Mornings
The Perry and Shawna Podcast: Real life conversations reminding you that you’re Abba’s child and that you’re blessed to be a blessing and loved to share Jesus’ love.