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May 22, 2025
“How Can I Trust God in the Unknown?” - Steve Norman
Several years ago Steve Norman of Winning at Home was told that his position had been eliminated and he was escorted out of the building. He had done nothing wrong, nothing illegal or unethical.
Another time, while serving in a pastoral role with a church, he was let go and then required to accept the news publicly with joy.
So he knows a thing or two about being blindsided and walking into the unknown.
Steve shares insights from the life of Samuel. He says trusting God requires:
- Learning to hear and speak God’s voice
- Remembering God’s faithfulness in the past
- Recognizing disappointment is a part of life
- Continuing to operate with integrity
- And knowing that God sees what we cannot.
When we can’t feel the ground underneath us we can trust God to be good, to be with us, and to lead us.
May 21, 2025
Grit & Joy: Help For Bewildered Families of Teens – Dave Rahn
We want our kids to have a deep authentic relationship with Creator of the Universe. How do we get there? How do we get the Jesus we so love to be the Jesus they so love?
Dave Rahn, co-author of Grit & Joy: Help For Bewildered Families of Teens joins us with insights from decades of experience co-mingling with Youth for Christ and as a professor at Huntington University to speak into helping our young people come alive to Jesus.
We talk about moving from getting our kids to be good kids, to getting them into a relationship with the God who loves them; what we can do as parent to create and on-ramp for our kids to experience the living God.
Also, is there a place in our kids’ faith for grit? If so, what does that look like? How can we see our teenagers be transformed by God’s love now. And Dave shares how modeling a vibrant loving relationship with God, full of honesty and vulnerability, creates a path into Jesus for our kids.
Also in this podcast:
Change is hard. Shawna and Perry share a massive change that’s happening for them and how that will affect you, if you love this podcast.
And last, Perry shares what he learned at Mamertine Prison in Rome where Paul likely spent his last days before he was beheaded for his faith. It was like Paul was saying to Perry, “Join me here!”
May 20, 2025
It’s So Hard to Trust God’s Timing
When we have unfulfilled longings it’s hard to trust God for His timing. But even with all our questions and heartache we’re reminded in scripture that we can trust that God’s timing is perfect!
Perry and his bride Teresa were just on their 40th anniversary trip to Italy and Ireland. And on a sunshiny morning in St. Peter’s Square in Rome they met Jorge. Jorge asked Perry to take his picture with St. Peter’s Basilica in the background. Then Perry’s asked Jorge, “What does Jesus mean to you?” It was a stunning God moment.
Shawna’s pet peeve is being interrupted. But there was one time she was grateful for it. God interrupted her freak out with a message of correction and love.
Perry had gone in to get some blood work. Get in, get out, move on with the day. But then there was this really troubled woman in the hospital lobby. He’d gotten his blood work and had left the hospital when the Holy Spirit said, “Go back and see if you can help this woman.”
Our love for God leads us to surrender. Shawna has a situation in her life that she cannot control, no matter how hard she tries. So she: 1) freaked out, 2) got mad, and 3) told God the truth—that she was scared. He met her in unexpected ways in her honesty, and it led her to love Him even more, and ultimately, to surrender.
May 19, 2025
Untriggered: Transformation for Mom’s Who Struggle With Anger - Amber Lia
Are you weary and frustrated with your kids…with yourself?
In a moment of anger, Amber was yelling at her kids when she realized the neighbor had come over to drop something off. “Oh no! Did she hear my outburst?” she wondered. That was the moment she knew she needed to address the anger that often undermined her mothering.
Amber Lia is a best-selling author. Her newest book is the devotional - Untriggered: 60 Days of Transformation for Moms Who Struggle with Anger.
In an honest conversation with Perry & Shawna about the moments as parents that we didn’t reflect the character of God to our children, Amber shares real life ways we can find our way back to living out the fruit of the Spirit in our homes, with our kids.
Perry was at the Cliffs of Moher in Ireland on his trip of a lifetime with his bride. He went off the official trail and was yelled at by a park worker. He was offended and treated the worker unkindly. That’s when the Holy Spirit said, “Go back and apologize.”
Sometimes Shawna feels like God’s not doing His job. She believes that God should fix her problems. Instead of asking, “God, what are you doing?” she’s learning to ask, “God what are you doing in me?” and to trust His grace is enough.
May 16, 2025
“Sometimes I Doubt God’s Promises” – Perry
“For no matter how many promises God has made, they are ‘Yes’ in Christ. And so through him the ‘Amen’ is spoken by us to the glory of God.” (2 Cor. 1:20)
Bible scholar Dr. Jeremy Grinnell joins the team to take on Bible questions.
Sometimes Perry doubts God’s promises. But he’s growing in trust because the passage above is starting to sink in! Every promise of God will be fulfilled and every promise is ultimately pointing to one staggering truth. And Jeremy unpacks it!
Then Stephanie asks: “In John 16:7 Jesus said, ‘but in fact, it is best for you if I go away, because if I don't, the Advocate won't come.’ Why did Jesus have to leave in order for the Holy Spirit to come? Why couldn't they both be on earth?” How could it possibly be better for Jesus to leave?
Next, Todd’s question: “What's your position on ‘Once saved always saved?’ “ And last Perry is fresh off his trip with his bride to Ireland. At the Cliffs of Moher he was reprimanded by a park worker. He was rude to her and then the Holy Spirit said, “Go back and apologize!?” A conversation about the power of kindness.
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Perry LaHaie
Perry LaHaie's passion is to know Jesus and make Him known. “I’m all in with Jesus but not all put together. I need Jesus right now as much as I did when I first started following Him!” Perry says. In addition to co-hosting Perry and Shawna Mornings, Perry is a singer, songwriter, recording artist, and advocate for those who haven’t yet heard the gospel, especially those in the Muslim world. Born and raised in northern Michigan, he earned a bachelor’s degree in Communications and a graduate degree in Cross- cultural Communications. Perry also serves with Frontiers, a worldwide ministry to Muslims. Perry and his bride, Teresa, call Holland, Michigan home. They have two adult children, Kali and Taylor, and Taylor’s bride, Bri.
Shawna Beyer
Shawna Beyer has a way of telling stories that create personal connection— to her, to one another, and to God. She has been a homeschool mom, church planter, project lead for a consulting company, and church staff member. Though she’s been involved in ministry with her husband (Dan) in Iowa, Arizona, and now Michigan, she was born and raised in Southern California and as they say, “You can take the girl out of California . . .” She is mom to four grown kids (Bryn, Drayson, Eden, and Haven) who no longer need her but humor her anyway. Shawna is passionate about the rhythms we weave into the fabric of our lives to fall more in love with God each day. Healthy foods are her go-to, but she will abandon that whole track in a heartbeat for a homemade cinnamon roll like Grandma used to make.
Perry and Shawna Mornings
The Perry and Shawna Podcast: Real life conversations reminding you that you’re Abba’s child and that you’re blessed to be a blessing and loved to share Jesus’ love.