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Perry and Shawna Mornings

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April 17, 2024

I Know It in My Head, But I Can’t Get It in My Heart

As Jesus followers we experience significant gaps between what we believe about God and what we encounter from God. We believe God loves us, but we struggle to experience it.

We believe God is with us, but we struggle to see it. We thought we’d be further along in our faith by now. Often our best efforts keep us stuck in those gaps.

In The Expectations Gap, pastor and systems theorist Steve Cuss shows us how to notice stuck patterns that keep us trapped and how we can break free to engage God at a deeper and more fulfilling level.

We will always have to mind the gaps, but we can learn  to notice the recurring, predictable patterns that keep us stuck and spinning. Steve offers real-life tools to:

  • Quiet the inner critic,
  • Wrangle chronic anxiety,
  • And relax into God’s presence, engaging him in a deeper, more visceral way.

Next, Shawna likens our journey of learning to follow God to that of the Israelites in the wilderness.  She shares a specific way that the Lord led her recently.

Perry had a blow up in trying to share his faith on Sunday. It was a crash and burn, but he learned from it, and what he learned is so obvious!

Last, Shawna shares that in many ways, we don’t know how to be loved.  We need to learn to be loved by God. And it will take a lifetime to learn it.


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Perry LaHaie

Perry LaHaie's passion is to know Jesus and make Him known. “I’m all in with Jesus but not all put together. I need Jesus right now as much as I did when I first started following Him!” Perry says. In addition to co-hosting Perry and Shawna Mornings, Perry is a singer, songwriter, recording artist, and advocate for those who haven’t yet heard the gospel, especially those in the Muslim world. Born and raised in northern Michigan, he earned a bachelor’s degree in Communications and a graduate degree in Cross- cultural Communications. Perry also serves with Frontiers, a worldwide ministry to Muslims. Perry and his bride, Teresa, call Holland, Michigan home. They have two adult children, Kali and Taylor, and Taylor’s bride, Bri.


Shawna Beyer

Shawna Beyer has a way of telling stories that create personal connection— to her, to one another, and to God. She has been a homeschool mom, church planter, project lead for a consulting company, and church staff member. Though she’s been involved in ministry with her husband (Dan) in Iowa, Arizona, and now Michigan, she was born and raised in Southern California and as they say, “You can take the girl out of California . . .” She is mom to four grown kids (Bryn, Drayson, Eden, and Haven) who no longer need her but humor her anyway. Shawna is passionate about the rhythms we weave into the fabric of our lives to fall more in love with God each day. Healthy foods are her go-to, but she will abandon that whole track in a heartbeat for a homemade cinnamon roll like Grandma used to make.

Perry and Shawna Mornings

The Perry and Shawna Podcast: Real life conversations reminding you that you’re Abba’s child and that you’re blessed to be a blessing and loved to share Jesus’ love.