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Perry and Shawna Mornings

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July 26, 2023

The Story of Paul: In Between the Lines

What shaped Paul’s life before his transformation?  We reach out to Bible Scholar Brad Gray for the answer.

Brad Gray is the Founder of Walking the Text and the Host for the upcoming television show, The Sacred Thread. He is a national speaker, study trip leader, and Bible expert whose lifework has centered on helping people understand the original context of the Bible. He is the author of Make Your Mark: Getting Right What Samson Got Wrong.

Brad shares the significance of Paul’s upbringing, that he likely came from affluence and would have had a first class education. Paul eventually rejected the teaching of his rabbi Gamaliel because he wasn’t zealous enough. After Paul’s transformation there was a season of 6-10 years where he likely had to relearn the story of God before he went on his first missionary journey.

What does this have to do with you and me? God uses every part of our story for His glory. Nothing is wasted. But it doesn’t happen overnight. Don’t give up. Keep your eyes on Jesus and trust God for His plan.

Also in this episode, Perry admits” Sometimes I feel like a failure and a fraud.” And Shawna shares where she finds hope.


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Perry LaHaie

Perry LaHaie's passion is to know Jesus and make Him known. “I’m all in with Jesus but not all put together. I need Jesus right now as much as I did when I first started following Him!” Perry says. In addition to co-hosting Perry and Shawna Mornings, Perry is a singer, songwriter, recording artist, and advocate for those who haven’t yet heard the gospel, especially those in the Muslim world. Born and raised in northern Michigan, he earned a bachelor’s degree in Communications and a graduate degree in Cross- cultural Communications. Perry also serves with Frontiers, a worldwide ministry to Muslims. Perry and his bride, Teresa, call Holland, Michigan home. They have two adult children, Kali and Taylor, and Taylor’s bride, Bri.


Shawna Beyer

Shawna Beyer has a way of telling stories that create personal connection— to her, to one another, and to God. She has been a homeschool mom, church planter, project lead for a consulting company, and church staff member. Though she’s been involved in ministry with her husband (Dan) in Iowa, Arizona, and now Michigan, she was born and raised in Southern California and as they say, “You can take the girl out of California . . .” She is mom to four grown kids (Bryn, Drayson, Eden, and Haven) who no longer need her but humor her anyway. Shawna is passionate about the rhythms we weave into the fabric of our lives to fall more in love with God each day. Healthy foods are her go-to, but she will abandon that whole track in a heartbeat for a homemade cinnamon roll like Grandma used to make.

Perry and Shawna Mornings

The Perry and Shawna Podcast: Real life conversations reminding you that you’re Abba’s child and that you’re blessed to be a blessing and loved to share Jesus’ love.