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Perry and Shawna Mornings

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July 18, 2023

The Atheist in the Back Row

She yelled at, screamed at, and even shamed her Christian friends leaving them in tears. Then, God met the atheist in the back row of a broken church.

Alicia Britt Chole is a speaker, award-winning author, and mentor. Her voice cuts through the fluff and summons souls to walk with God anew.

She holds a doctorate in Leadership and Spiritual Formation from George Fox Seminary. Serves as the founding director and lead mentor of Leadership Investment Intensives, a nonprofit devoted to providing customized soul-care for leaders in business and ministry.

Alicia joins us to talk about her new book, The Night Is Normal: A Guide Through Spiritual Pain. We talk about cancer, the loss of a lifelong dream, disillusionment with God, self & others. And she gives us practical tools to help us navigate the night.  

Shawna shares about a bible study assignment that became a precious moment with her heavenly Father and what He revealed to her as she walked and talked with God along the Lake Michigan lakeshore.

Then, not only did Jesus die for you. But you died with him. What does that even mean?? And last, we’ve all felt unwelcome, unwanted. There is a God who wants you. Chose you, even. Let’s live loved!


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Perry LaHaie

Perry LaHaie's passion is to know Jesus and make Him known. “I’m all in with Jesus but not all put together. I need Jesus right now as much as I did when I first started following Him!” Perry says. In addition to co-hosting Perry and Shawna Mornings, Perry is a singer, songwriter, recording artist, and advocate for those who haven’t yet heard the gospel, especially those in the Muslim world. Born and raised in northern Michigan, he earned a bachelor’s degree in Communications and a graduate degree in Cross- cultural Communications. Perry also serves with Frontiers, a worldwide ministry to Muslims. Perry and his bride, Teresa, call Holland, Michigan home. They have two adult children, Kali and Taylor, and Taylor’s bride, Bri.


Shawna Beyer

Shawna Beyer has a way of telling stories that create personal connection— to her, to one another, and to God. She has been a homeschool mom, church planter, project lead for a consulting company, and church staff member. Though she’s been involved in ministry with her husband (Dan) in Iowa, Arizona, and now Michigan, she was born and raised in Southern California and as they say, “You can take the girl out of California . . .” She is mom to four grown kids (Bryn, Drayson, Eden, and Haven) who no longer need her but humor her anyway. Shawna is passionate about the rhythms we weave into the fabric of our lives to fall more in love with God each day. Healthy foods are her go-to, but she will abandon that whole track in a heartbeat for a homemade cinnamon roll like Grandma used to make.

Perry and Shawna Mornings

The Perry and Shawna Podcast: Real life conversations reminding you that you’re Abba’s child and that you’re blessed to be a blessing and loved to share Jesus’ love.