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April 21, 2026

What It Takes to See Awakening with Dr. Douglas Small & Boundaries that Lead to Real Change with Dr. Henry Cloud

Today, on Karl and Crew, we continued our weekly theme, “I Can’t Change Because…,” about the excuses we use. Today, we focused on the excuse, “I can’t change because my environment makes it impossible,” looking at Psalm 1:1–3. Dr. Douglas Small joined us to talk about what it will take to see a spiritual awakening, calling believers back to prayer, unity, and a renewed relationship with Christ. Dr. Small is the President and Executive Director of Prayer at the Heart (PATH), a ministry focused on mobilizing believers in prayer across the nation. He has carried a long-standing vision to see unified prayer movements lead to spiritual awakening and revival. We then had Dr. Henry Cloud join us to explain how biblical boundaries help us take responsibility for our own responses instead of blaming others for our lack of change. Dr. Cloud is a leadership expert, clinical psychologist, and New York Times bestselling author. He has written more than 40 books, including “Boundaries,” which has sold millions of copies worldwide. He also works as a leadership consultant and executive coach, helping leaders and organizations improve performance and culture. You can hear the highlights of today’s program on the Karl and Crew Showcast.

If you're looking to hear a particular segment from the show, look at the following time stamps:
Dr. Henry Cloud’s Interview [ 07:40 ]
Dr. Douglas Small’s Interview [ 45:15 ]