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September 09, 2024

If God Forgives Why Is There a Judgement Day

A listener asks, “From my understanding when we ask for forgiveness, God will forget us as far as the east from the west… I also understand that there will be a judgment day… If he forgets as far as the East on the west and why will we have to stand before Him in judgment for our actions?”

Does she mean forget or forgive?  Are our sins remembered, or not.

Dr. Jeremy Grinnell, who earned his Ph.D. in Systematic Theology from Calvin Seminary in Grand Rapids, MI, and taught theology at a local seminary for nearly 15 years, answers this question and more with Biblical expertise and the heart of a pastor.

Shawna honestly shares with Jeremy how she knows God is calling her to do something she’s woefully unqualified to do while at the same time is asking her to let go of something she wants to hold on to. Is it possible the two are connected?  

Jeremy also takes on the following questions:

“Will some people get greater rewards in Heaven than others? I've heard people talk of wanting to do greater works or, when serving, not wanting help because help would come between God and their reward. Isn't the great reward being in the presence of our God and Savior? Does God's Word speak to this?”

“Joseph told the Israelites to take his bones when they left Egypt. Did they carry his bones around for 40 years? Others who died in the desert were probably buried in the sand the same day. Was it because he was royalty and God's leader that his remains were treated differently? Also, the time of grieving in the Bible is long... 40 days or 70 days? We get a day or two. Was that amount of time prescribed by the culture? Situation? Importance of the person?”

Lastly, are you right with God?  It's never to late to get right with God.  Rob Pitts got right with God after a friend shared about salvation.  Take the time to get right with God, before it's too late!

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Dr. Jeremy Grinnell
Dr. Jeremy Grinnell

Dr. Jeremy Grinnell

I earned my Ph.D. in Systematic Theology from Calvin Seminary in Grand Rapids, MI, and taught theology at a local seminary for nearly 15 years. I was also the preaching pastor at a growing non-denominational evangelical church in the area. My life was good, and I had everything a person could reasonably want.

Then through a hideous cocktail of bad choices and clinical depression, I threw it all away in the most public way possible – complete with criminal charges and my mug in the newspaper.

In the fewest words possible (a fuller account is given in the book), in 2013, I became entangled in a consensual ten-month emotional affair with a woman Denise and I were helping through a home foreclosure and legal battle. I quickly lost track of personal boundaries and became fixated on her family’s needs … and then on her. It nearly destroyed my marriage and my health.

A few months in, I was clinically depressed, suicidal, and living a double life—trapped in a relationship I could not find a way to escape … and didn’t want to. By the time the obsession had run its course, I would find myself standing below her bedroom window, reduced from a rising star in the community to little more than a peeping-tom.

The fall out was swift and public in the form of felony invasion of privacy charges. I resigned from my pastoral position at the church. Then the press got ahold of the story, and I was publicly shamed. I then resigned my professorship at the university as well. In the end, rather than prolong the agony for my family in a useless legal defense, I took a plea deal, and the judge gave me a good long probation. The public record remains and is ugly.

But God is good.

Now nearly a decade later, my marriage and family have been restored. I’ve been through a formal restoration process in the very church I blew up, and in October 2022, my record was expunged and the judgement against me set aside.

I’ve come to realize this is the gap in which I’m now supposed to stand. Few voices speak to people with self-inflicted wounds, and fewer books exist to help them. Few can do so. Few are willing to stand up and say, “Let me tell you about the worst thing I’ve ever done …” Further, publishers might love such a book, but not the author who could credibly write it. Such an author is a publicist’s nightmare.

Despite these challenges, we are now able to make The Bellowing of Cain available to those who need it – those bent double with regrets. I hope my story will be of help to others. I hope that in its pages, you find hope as well.

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Perry LaHaie

Perry LaHaie's passion is to know Jesus and make Him known. “I’m all in with Jesus but not all put together. I need Jesus right now as much as I did when I first started following Him!” Perry says. In addition to co-hosting Perry and Shawna Mornings, Perry is a singer, songwriter, recording artist, and advocate for those who haven’t yet heard the gospel, especially those in the Muslim world. Born and raised in northern Michigan, he earned a bachelor’s degree in Communications and a graduate degree in Cross- cultural Communications. Perry also serves with Frontiers, a worldwide ministry to Muslims. Perry and his bride, Teresa, call Holland, Michigan home. They have two adult children, Kali and Taylor, and Taylor’s bride, Bri.

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Shawna Beyer

Shawna Beyer has a way of telling stories that create personal connection— to her, to one another, and to God. She has been a homeschool mom, church planter, project lead for a consulting company, and church staff member. Though she’s been involved in ministry with her husband (Dan) in Iowa, Arizona, and now Michigan, she was born and raised in Southern California and as they say, “You can take the girl out of California . . .” She is mom to four grown kids (Bryn, Drayson, Eden, and Haven) who no longer need her but humor her anyway. Shawna is passionate about the rhythms we weave into the fabric of our lives to fall more in love with God each day. Healthy foods are her go-to, but she will abandon that whole track in a heartbeat for a homemade cinnamon roll like Grandma used to make.

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